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Need A Used Petrol Automatic Car For My Daily Runs: Yaris & BR-V?
BHPian kk21 recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Hi all,
I bought an Innova petrol automatic a couple of years ago, which has been my daily ride around town. Bought this car despite its low average because my running was very low, around 500-600 kms a month with occasional highway trips with the entire family in town.
But over the last few months, my daily running has increased a lot, almost 400-500 kms every week in lots of heavy traffic and the low average in the Innova has really started to pinch the wallet.
I've decided to leave the Innova at home now to be used by my parents with a driver and occasional duties for the children for their classes etc.
For my daily grind around town, I'm thinking of picking up a nice used automatic car with a decent average.
Criteria: Petrol, Automatic, No AMT.
I have shortlisted three cars that seem to be clean examples at first glance, with service records available.
There are some good examples of amazing automatic that are also available, the mind says I should consider these but I just don't like the way the amaze looks.
I'm most inclined towards option 1 due to its price and being the top variant - but the running is a bit high at close to 1,00,000 kms.
Need a hand from y'all to make this decision - which car would you suggest for my needs? Is the asking price of these cars justified?
Thanks a bunch to everyone in advance. Cheers!!
Here's what BHPian lamborghini had to say on the matter:
If your daily running isn't too much - you'd be better off getting an EV option instead.
None of these options sounds like they will be super fuel-economical (unless you do a fair amount of highway running), and given they are all discontinued slow sellers - parts could be a little difficult to arrange for as well.
Any reason why no City/Ciaz has made the list?
Here's what BHPian self_driven had to say on the matter:
Most petrol cars with TC/CVT/DSG are guzzlers when driven within city limits. We have a Yaris CVT in the family and it barely manages to return double-digit fuel economy in Delhi traffic. You can realistically expect just a 2-3 km/l increase over what your Innova gives in any typical situation. So you might want to revisit your decision if you're primarily looking for lower running costs.
Apart from BR-V and Yaris, you can consider Jazz CVT and old Brezza/Urban Cruiser with 4-speed AT. If you're open to diesel, the Sonet diesel AT is a great option, which can lower your running cost by one-third (if not more) over a similar car in petrol.
Also, the cars you've shortlisted are quite overpriced. Used car dealers offer peanuts to owners for market duds like BR-V and Yaris. So never approach a dealer specifically looking for a low-selling model. Instead, enquire about some popular but lower-priced car and then take it from there.
Here's what BHPian vigsom had to say on the matter:
All three cars are overpriced by Delhi standards. A few points that might help
Between the two, I think the BRV offers marginally more fuel efficiency and a whole lot more car-per-car.
Here's what BHPian SmartCat had to say on the matter:
You can use the Innova petrol for highway runs, airport duties or when you go to family functions (when more than 5 people might need to travel). Another 7-seater (BRV) or sedan (Yaris) is an unusual choice.
Since fuel economy is the priority, look for pre-owned Jazz/Baleno/Polo/i20 or pre-owned Venue (has been in the market for 5 years now)/Ecosport (if service is available). There might not be too many examples of Brezza AT in the market.
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Here's what BHPian Axe77 had to say on the matter:
If you don't strictly need two cars, how about flipping the petrol Innova for a hybrid Hycross? That way you would have dealt with the issue for the long run in one shot. Another win is that the space, comfort and safety of a larger MUV (Innova / Hycross) can be enjoyed over the volume of miles that are being run, without compromise.
In due course, if you do need another vehicle for small local runabouts, that could be achieved with a used small AT / MT hatchback, which a driver drives for family or even self-driven but for smaller runs.
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What Makes A Car An 'SUV' In The Indian Context & Is It Justified?
BHPian thirdmainroad recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
With the current craze in India for "SUV's" loads of cars are being marketed as SUVs. It got me thinking - what really is an SUV? While the moniker has always been a loose term, with no generally accepted definition - it still feels wrong to brand almost every non sedan car in India an SUV.
I mean - can the Hyundai Exter, for example - a tiny little car with a 1200cc engine, 114 nm torque, 80 bhp with 0 off-roading capabilities really be labeled an SUV?
Or even the Taigun / Kushaq for that matter - 0 off roading.
We in India seem to have made everything that's not a sedan and has even slightly raised seats a "SUV"
I think a SUV should have at least a 4 wheel drive and have some off road capabilities, and should be worthy enough of scaling some rough terrain.
Do you guys think it ok to call the likes of the Exter, Taigun, X1, Creta an suv or should we call a spade a spade - and acknowledge that car manufacturers are using .. Slightly unethical marketing techniques and branding vehicles that are not suvs, suvs?
Here's what BHPian revsperminute had to say on the matter:
Not based on any science but to me-
Exter/Punch, Sonet/Venue and Creta/Seltos segment- Hatchbacks on stilts
Compass/Harrier/XUV700/Tucson/Tiguan/Evoque/Velars/Macan- Crossovers
Fortuner/Endeavour/Isuzu/Thar/Scorpio/Wrangler/Defender/Land Cruiser- SUVs
X5/GLE/X7/GLS/Range Rovers/Cayenne- Somewhere between Crossovers and SUVs
I feel the SUV tag is essential to sell a car in any segment nowadays and hence we are seeing the onslaught of these new body types. And not to forget, an SUV costs the same money to build and sells for a higher price.
Here's what BHPian Sensible_speed had to say on the matter:
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for starting this thread. The question you have posed here has troubled me for oh so long! What is an SUV really? From what I've heard, SUV in the early days used to stand for Sport Utility Vehicle. I don't know where that name came about, but I assume it had something to do with people with an active lifestyle, i.E., carrying skiing, surfing, cycling equipment into some remote region to enjoy these activities.
But today, SUV has become synonymous with a jacked up vehicle, that looks large and hence, safer and more appealing to the masses, irrespective of its ability to actually be utilitarian. Also, perhaps its the manufacturers that are trying to pull a fast one on the masses by these cleverly mislabeling what are clearly crossovers, as SUVs. Every single car you've mentioned in your post should truthfully be called a crossover. But, that term has earned a fairly negative reputation for being used by mothers on a school route.
In the Indian context, the answer to why "SUVs" are popular is simply- ground clearance. Roads in India are perceived as atrociously poor, and it's true to a large extent. This means people want to play it safe by getting a car that can clear the large craters, potholes and poorly designed speedhumps without damaging their cars. This is perhaps the most practical reason for buying an SUV. I suspect VW and Skoda caught onto this trend quickly and offered high ground clearance on the Virtus/Slavia sedans. That may be another reason why they still manage to sell decent numbers.
The next reason is a bit murkier. Image. With cars still being aspirational to the majority, having a car that also looks the part is a huge reason why SUVs have taken off. Imagine spending a couple of lakhs more, and getting a much larger and imposing looking vehicle. This enamours people to stretch their budgets to the SUV instead of a sedan, or an equivalent hatchback.
The last reason that just makes sense to me, is the seating position. When you sit in an SUV, you are perched a few inches higher off the ground than the equivalent sedan or hatchback. This, paired with a larger glasshouse, offers you a better view of the road and your surroundings. A lot of drivers in our conditions prefer this, factoring the chaos on the roads around us.
To sum it all up, I guess "SUV" is a term that is deceptively used by car companies to push for higher sales. In the process, they have intentionally or inadvertently, changed the definition of the term from being a go-anywhere lifestyle product, to a segment/class of vehicles that offer all of what I described above.
Here's what BHPian smartcat had to say on the matter:
They are calling it SUV, not SOV (Sport Offroading Vehicle). The keyword here is utility, not offroading. Their unique selling proposition is indeed utilitarian (high GC/high seating), which are core features of an offroader (eg: Jimny)
After all, the so called "proper SUV" (eg: Fortuner) too is an on-road vehicle, which just incorporates more features of an offroading vehicle. Go far enough on a tough offroading course, and every vehicle will eventually get stuck. It's just that each vehicle type (sedan/pseudo SUV/proper SUV/offroader) will get you farther.
But I don't get the 'Sport' bit though
CUV makes more sense -> Compact Utility Vehicle, anybody?
Here's what BHPian Nalin1 had to say on the matter:
Who cares if it is a genuine SUV or a duplicate one as long as it serves each one's purpose.
When I crossed Hosur road river last week after the torrential rain, I just smashed through without any hesitation on the Nexon with 209 mm of ground clearance when many Sedans and hatches were hesitating.
From the driver's seat, I get a great view of the circus around.
When a Rakshas like a Fortuner or an Endeavour lines up beside, I turn around and can see the driver eye to eye from a sub 4 meter sub compact crossover branded as an SUV .
Not to mention the respect people give when they see a butch looking car (hatch on stilt, jacked up, whatever).
Here's what BHPian IshaanIan had to say on the matter:
I don't think anyone is being fooled if car makers are even found guilty of false advertising because everyone knows what they can and can't go off road in. Infact here in India with half our driving populous undeserving of a license, everyone is a little too cautious about the terrain their vehicles can handle. The number of high gc vehicles I see crawling to a standstill at the slightest rumble strip or puddle is testament to the fact that no one is being fooled into thinking they are buying an SUV. They just want the high seating position so that they can avoid scraping and bumping into the objects they still somehow manage to.
If you or anyone else you know is still being mislead by manufacturers labelling their boxy hatchbacks on stilts as SUVs then perhaps a refresher driving course is due.
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